tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460967271492760386.post2911450046747055462..comments2024-03-19T23:29:12.334-07:00Comments on Journal of Educational Controversy Blog: A DECLARATION OF EDUCATION RIGHTSLorraine Kasprisinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01872465453874056191noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460967271492760386.post-8592592710637949932016-03-05T11:56:06.038-08:002016-03-05T11:56:06.038-08:00Nice work. I did not see in your references, The I...Nice work. I did not see in your references, The International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. A UN document ratified by numerous countries, including the US and Canada. It calls for progress toward universal free higher education on the basis of capacity - as does your article.<br /><br />As someone who is clearly interested in the realization of the right to education, I invite you to look at a model for the provision of higher education that easily allows us to realize this right. <br /><br />The Model: http://bit.ly/1iWdCEU<br />Its application to education rights: http://bit.ly/1kMlTxq<br /><br />I hope you find it of some use.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />ShawnShawn Warrenhttp://bit.ly/LUNqyKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460967271492760386.post-88805382916583854122011-09-07T00:13:40.383-07:002011-09-07T00:13:40.383-07:00I am pretty relaxed with declaration of these educ...I am pretty relaxed with declaration of these education rights. Most of these rights are in favor of poor people.continuing educationhttp://www.mohawkcollege.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460967271492760386.post-49556728488886602292011-08-23T03:08:16.971-07:002011-08-23T03:08:16.971-07:00hard hitting facts and nice written.hard hitting facts and nice written.indiana defensive drivinghttp://www.idrivesafely.com/Indiana/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460967271492760386.post-88398510374455115362011-07-17T17:29:04.829-07:002011-07-17T17:29:04.829-07:00Sue, I love your ideal school! Reminds me of the ...Sue, I love your ideal school! Reminds me of the visions of John Holt and Ivan Illich -- truly inspirational.<br /><br />I agree that families should be able to choose an education that reflects their highest values (See Article 9 -- Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education in which their children participate.). I see a commitment to democracy as supporting this freedom, which could mean the existence of a diverse array of beliefs and practices in one school, or the need to allow the creation of new schools to meet these diverse needs.<br /><br />Anyway, thanks for the feedback. I'll check out the Bowers website.Jim Stricklandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460967271492760386.post-12658776832092796772011-07-17T08:19:53.420-07:002011-07-17T08:19:53.420-07:00That's much better. Now I'm wondering how ...That's much better. Now I'm wondering how this list of rights compares to <a href="http://mathmamawrites.blogspot.com/2009/03/my-ideal-school.html" rel="nofollow">my thoughts on an 'ideal school'</a>. <br /><br />An important difference is that my ideal school is not prescriptive. A list of rights must take into account the different values of each family. And that points me to a problem almost the opposite of my problem with article 11. <br /><br />Article 7 says democracy has to be a value of all educational institutions. I think it's best to trust each family to raise their kids the best way they know how. If the family has values that they hold higher than democracy, and wants a school that reflects their values, isn't that ok? <br /><br />A very interesting radical take on this can be found at <a href="http://www.cabowers.net/index.php" rel="nofollow">C.A.Bowers' website</a>, though most of it is buried in pdf's. His main issue is respect for indigenous values, in support of their ecological wisdom. (I'm putting it badly. Check him out.)Sue VanHattumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237941346154683902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460967271492760386.post-26843185712404370212011-07-16T09:16:11.289-07:002011-07-16T09:16:11.289-07:00Compulsory schooling is one of the more controvers...Compulsory schooling is one of the more controversial and divisive issues in the DER. I included it to generate conversation and because it is addressed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. To some people, compulsory schooling implies the use of force to coerce learning, an approach that history has proven to be inhumane, unethical, and counterproductive. One the other hand, compulsory schooling laws keep the state from neglecting its educational responsibility. Without these laws, it could be easier for the state to provide a one-size-fits-all approach to education while allowing students and families who don't fit this mold to "freely choose" to opt out. With these laws, the state is forced to grapple with the educational needs of ALL students, even nontraditional learners, those who have been historically marginalized, and those with special learning needs.<br /><br />Another perspective is that education is a mutual responsibility. The state has a responsibility to provide education, and the individual has a responsibility to obtain an education, thus decreasing the chances that he/she will later become a burden on society (I guess it's kind of like requiring citizens to purchase health insurance to keep us from shifting responsibility for our healthcare onto others!). It could be that compulsory attendance laws preserve this mutuality.<br /><br />How should we deal with this issue? For now I say leave it in the DER as an issue that we need to grapple with. But we could eventually cut it out. Other sections of the DER imply a commitment to noncoercive learning, as well as ensuring equitable access without discrimination. A revised Article 11 could read as follows without any reference to compulsory schooling except when it should not be allowed:<br /><br />Article 11<br /> No minor shall be denied access to a free and appropriate educational program for any reason. Furthermore, no person shall be compelled to participate in any educational program that does not protect the full range of these rights.<br /><br />Your thoughts?<br /><br />JimJim Stricklandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460967271492760386.post-34107725775215991692011-07-16T06:41:24.849-07:002011-07-16T06:41:24.849-07:00Article 11 sticks out like a sore thumb! Compulso...Article 11 sticks out like a sore thumb! Compulsory education is the opposite of a democratic education.<br /><br />Your definition of democracy is just plain wrong. Democracy is a decision-making process. In describing what happens in the culture of a democracy, you might find your definition, but you will not without the decision-making process. For example, in the protests in Egypt, people were coming together for democracy. They did not have democracy for coming together. They will only have it with the decision-making process.Abe Karl-Gruswitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00298194413491599405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460967271492760386.post-30648076613425089542011-07-15T23:45:23.593-07:002011-07-15T23:45:23.593-07:00Very good declaration observed. I really found thi...Very good declaration observed. I really found this information useful. And appreciate your efforts. I hope for more good articles in future.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.careerwithonlinedegrees.com" rel="nofollow">Online Learning<br /></a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460967271492760386.post-3547891861306717362011-07-15T19:45:06.686-07:002011-07-15T19:45:06.686-07:00Article 11 Education shall be compulsory through t...Article 11 Education shall be compulsory through the primary years...<br /><br />This is problematic, but the rest sounds pretty good. <br /><br />Anything that's compulsory gets in the way of true democracy, I think. But at least a distinction has been made between schooling and education. Still I'd rather see something that gives children a right but not an obligation to this thing called education.Sue VanHattumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237941346154683902noreply@blogger.com